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The progression through the family tree project has left a few unanswered questions or identified issues that still need to be resolved. Rather that deal with these in e-mails and piles of paper, I have opted to place them here on the web site so that all members of the Laughton Clan can check them out and provide input. As they are resolved, I will move them to the "resolved table" (see below) so that others are not sent off on the hunt. A few of those have been placed there now, as others may not know of the question and answer.

The issues are presented in the genealogical order from the youngest person to the oldest person. If you have other questions, please send them in and if I can not answer them for you I will post them here. If the list grows extensively I can always split it up into major generations.

Some of these questions or issues may be able to be addressed by Paul Laughton in Ottawa, so if anyone has that opportunity please let me know of any comments.

There are questions now also for the Scotland based clan - any assistance would be appreciated. We also want to add the burial information for our ancestors in Orkney, if anyone has that information (to be added to Cemeteries).

Questions Outstanding:

Year Person The question or issue Finding a solution
Photos Laughton There were a number of photographs in the John Ivan Laughton Collection that arrived in March-April 2009 and that were not identified.

Some were clearly identifiable when compared to other photographs and others remained as "unknown  photographs". Where possible I have entered some information but this is really a case of needing someone who recognizes the people (or place) so we can name that picture.

All of these photographs are in a separate directory on the web site and are listed as a branch to this "Questions Page" (see index in left column).

Unknown Photographs

 

Please let me know if you can identify any person or any place in these photographs.

 

1916 Malcolm Campbell Laughton This is a new member of the family, unknown even on the Paul Laughton charts. Malcolm died at 1 day old in June 29, 1916 in London, Ontario Canada. He was the son of Kate Campbell and John Hugh Laughton and thus a step-brother to the rest of the sons of John Hugh Laughton 1859.

The only recorded child of Kate and John Hugh Laughton that I had heard of was John "Jack" Campbell Laughton 1918, for whom we have limited information. It is reported in letters that Jack never married and that he was closest to his Uncle Edward Laughton 1876.

We have located the grave of Katie May Campbell in the London Mount Pleasant Cemetery, Ontario. The photo does not show the name of Malcolm or the other son John. Where are they buried?

 

Can we find the burial location for:

Malcolm

John

I will go to the London Mount Pleasant Cemetery in the Spring of 2009 and check to see what is written on Katie's stone, perhaps something on the reverse or a ground level marker (as in Niagara Falls).

May also need to check the St. Mary's cemetery. I will check the on-line records or contact them to see if they have a listing.

 

1881-1881
and/or
1896-1898
John Van Wyck
Laughton
Paul Laughton raised this issue a number of times in his documents and so I pursued the matter.

The Parkhill Gravestone indicates that young John Van Wyck Laughton (JVWL) lived from 1896 to 1898, a mere two years. The original chart of Paul Laughton, which we have confirmed from the available records, shows that JVWL was forn on August 17, 1881 and died on October 2, 1881 - a period of 1 month and 15 days.

The Ontario Death Registry 1869-1947 (LDS Pilot Site) lists John as passing on October 2, 1881 at the age of 1 month 15 days. It lists his birth place as St. Marys Ontario but his place of death as South Marysburgh, Prince Edward County, Ontario. History may have confused the St. Marys and the Marysburgh.

I have not found a record of a John Laughton who was born in 1896 or died in 1898.

 

Were there really two John Van Wyck Laughton boys, with one buried in St. Marys and the other in Parkhill? In the alternative, was there only one son and the gravestone in Parkhill is incorrect?
1864 David Laughton & Mary Eleanor "Minnie" McAlmon In the package of information that came from John Ivan Laughton in March 2009 there was a "Stitched Christmas Card" from "Uncle Dave" (McAlmon) to Grace Laughton.  The card was sent from Belgium on December 7, 1915 so logic would say that Dave McAlmon was in the Great War (First World War 1914-1919) and serving in France & Flanders.

I was able to find David Laughton's family in the 1901 and 1911 Canadian Census, where we also found out that David was born in 1864 (we previously had 1861). His wife is listed as "Minnie" who he married in Brandon, Manitoba.  Minnie was originally from New Brunswick. The parents David and Mary are shown in the 1901 Census as living alone and in the 1891 Census with their children, including 16 year old Mary (Minnie) and 5 year old David (presume that is "Uncle Dave").

I could not find any reference to Uncle Dave after 1891 until he showed up on the Christmas Card from Belgium in 1915. There is no record of a Canadian Soldier in the war by that last name.  There is no record of a McAlmon on the Commonwealth War Graves Commission registry, nor in the United Kingdom National Archives. The LDS Family Search projects are also negative on Uncle Dave, although positive on his father David McAlmon 1841.

The documents from my search related to that question are located here:

Grace 1905 Flanders Card

 

Where did Uncle Dave go after 1891 and is he the same Dave that showed up in France in 1915 and sent the postcard to his niece Grace Laughton?

We should also look for independent confirmation that David Laughton was in fact born in 1864 as shown on 1901 and 1911 Census documents and not 1861 as noted by his grandson John Ivan Laughton.

1860-1912 Louise Estelle Laughton (Van Wyck) The family stone in the Parkhill Cemetery lists Louise "Mother" clearly on the reverse. The Ontario Death Registry also notes that she died in Parkhill on October 25, 1912. As such, I had always assumed that Louise "Louella" was buried in the family plot in Parkhill.

In the process of going through the family records from Paul Laughton in February 2009 I found a number of references to Louise being buried in Walkerton and Paul's statements that Louise was buried near Jerome

In Paul's letter of January 1999 to John Ivan Laughton he specifically states that his grandmother "Louise Estelle" is buried nearby (to Jerome and Jean's grave in Walkerton).

 

A trip to the Walkerton Cemetery will be planned for the Spring of 2009 to find out what Laughton stones can be found and what inscribed.
1841 David Laughton There are questions concerning the family of David Laughton 1841 that arise as a result of the 1960 letter from Archie Laughton which refers to Jessie and William Sinclair Laughton 1888 ("Willie O' The Park").

The chart from Paul Laughton 1923 shows that Archie was the son of John Laughton 1874 (as per Sue's dates). However Archie's 1960 letter says his father is 91 which would suggest his father was David Laughton 1869 (1960-91=1869).

In his 1960 letter Archie also refers to Willie being the cousin of his father, yet on the chart from Paul et al we have Willie as the brother of David, John and Jessie. Archie does say that Jessie is his Aunt. There is also an additional, yet incomplete line on the Paul chart suggesting there was another child of David 1841 - any ideas?

Lastly, we have information from my cousin Mary Frances Laughton (daughter of Paul Laughton 1923) that she knew John Laughton (son of Archie). It would appear he was still alive in 1999 and so our assumption that Paul's note (1 Mar. 74) as being the death of John is probably incorrect.

Is it possible that William 1888 was the son of John Laughton 1874 and Archie was the son of David 1869? That would make them cousins?

 

Sue may be able to resolve this matter as this is her family line.
1800s Van Wyck Family Name There is a separate page on this web site that deals with the origin of the Van Wyck name in the Laughton family. At present, I am the last surviving male that carries Van Wyck as the middle name, a process that started when John Hugh Laughton 1859 gave that middle name to all his sons and daughters, as his wife's last name was Van Wyck.

The lineage of the Van Wyck name at first seemed all very clear, looking at the charts from Uncle Paul and the details in the history reports. What is missing is the part that shows where John Van Wyck fits into the picture, as he appears to have been added to the chart by Paul without any supporting documentation.

Details of the issue are presented on the Van Wyck page on this web site.

Apparently there is a Van Wyck Cemetery in Walkerton (and some indication of Owen Sound) that may have some details.

 

 
1771 Gilbert Laughton The most significant question that Uncle Paul (Paul Laughton 1923) was not able to answer in his quest was "Which Gilbert Laughton is our Founder?

Apparently there were four options that are detailed on Gilbert's Page but it was impossible to tell which Gilbert was our relative, as the parish records had been destroyed. One of our family members may just have the missing link, that tiny bit of information that someone in the past has mentioned about the family heritage.  Are you that person?

It may be that some form of deductive reasoning, coupled with the modern day access to ancestry records, will give us the answer that Paul could not find in 1981 or even in 1991.

Until we find out which Gilbert, we can not go back in history past John 1801.

 

 

Issues Resolved:

Year Person The question or issue Finding a solution
1901 Bruce Laughton The grave marker of Bruce Laughton was identified during the July 2008 visit to the Niagara Falls Cemetery (Canada). The marker was at the site of John Laughton 1829 but there was no known sibling known as "Bruce".

 

Bruce was identified as the son of Edward Laughton 1876. Edward's grave is in the same Niagara Falls cemetery but in a different location. Logic then tells us that the grave marker of John Laughton was already in place when Bruce was tragically killed by a train in 1904. Edward and his wife Bertha "Bert" lived for many more years and so they had no family plot. The logical solution was to bury Bruce with his grandfather.

 

1886 St. Clair Van Wyck Laughton The records tell us that Clair and his wife Eva are buried in the Parkhill Union Cemetery, but it appears that they are not buried in the John Hugh Laughton plot with the rest of the family. Clair was somewhat of an outcast of the family and had moved to Detroit.

There is a Clare (Clair) and Eva Laughton listed in the 1920 Census of the United States living in Los Angeles County, California (use LDS Pilot Project). They are both listed as Canadians but Clare lists his father as being born in New York? That could be Niagara Falls, New York? Coincidence or not?

The age matches for Clair as 34 in 1920 is the correct birth year of 1886. It says he emigrated to the USA in 1916 which is when he deserted from the Canadian Expeditionary Force during the Great War (January 1916).

The Ontario Death Registry says they are buried in Parkhill. Were they put in the family plot and just not entered on the stone, or were they kept separate when Clair died (Eva died many years later)?

 

We received our first part of the answer to this question in March 2009 from the Box Funeral Home in Parkhill. Chuck Box responded that he will provide a map and photographs of the Laughton members in the Parkhill Union Cemetery.

A few days later after I asked if he could send the map so I could plan a trip (check the sites on GPS first), Chuck sent some photographs that clearly show the grave site of Clair and Eva Laughton.  There were others, perhaps Wickert's which I will need to check when I go to Parkhill.

I will add this to the Parkhill Cemetery page, but here it is for now:

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Grave of Clair & Eva Laughton
Parkhill Union Cemetery

We now also have a map of the Parkhill Union Cemetery from Chuck Box that marks where each of the grave sites are located (Laughton & Wickert). We will check these out in the Spring of 2009.

 

1831 Thomas Laughton

 

The original family tree charts of Paul Laughton indicate that Thomas Laughton (see John Laughton 1801) died in Canada, apparently in Walkerton. I had always assumed that he must have been visiting his brothers John or Jerome. From the photograph of the homestead in the Orkney Islands (Vigga) we have evidence of Thomas sitting with his nephews John and David, sons of David Laughton 1841. Sue Yannaghas (nee Petrie - Thomas's Great Great Granddaughter) raised this question again in her e-mails in February 2009.

In searching the death registers for Ontario I can find no evidence of this Thomas Laughton having died in the area, at least not one married to a Margaret or Maggie. What we did find from the LDS Registers was that there were two (2) Thomas Laughton boys born in 1831 in Orkney, Scotland. One of these two Thomas lads born 1831 in Scotland is listed in the 1881 Canadian Census as living in Egremont Township in Grey County (the Walkerton area). A farm owned by Thomas Laughton was found on the Township Maps of that period. That Thomas Laughton is listed on the Ontario Death Registry as having a recorded death of July 9, 1881 at the age of 50 years.

Our Thomas Laughton 1831 appears in the Vigga photograph in 1905-1910 and certainly appears to be older than 53, suggesting the picture date is correct (in which case the man is 75+ years old). The question then is, did Paul Laughton assume that the Thomas Laughton 1831 from the Orkney Islands that was in the Walkerton area was our Thomas Laughton? Is that then why he noted "died in Canada" on his chart?

The problem was resolved when Sue located a number of critical documents:

death certificate of Thomas Laughton showing that he was born in Holm on April 7, 1831 and died at Vigga on November 10, 1921
marriage of Thomas Laughton to Ann Petrie on January 20, 1881 in Holm
birth of Margaret Jane Laughton on December 6, 1885, daughter of Thomas and Ann
marriage of Margaret to William Berston on March 30, 1922
death of Margaret at Vigga on June 17, 1940

The charts have been corrected to show this information and all of the details have been posted to a new page for Thomas Laughton 1831.

This was confirmed in March 2009 with receipt of the "Letters Package" from John Ivan Laughton. In there was a 1960 letter from Ralph Bews (Orkney) who stated Tom died in Canada.  He was talking about the family of Sarah Laughton 1833 so he was referring to Tom Wooldrage, Sarah's son with David Wooldrage (see Sarah 1833 for details).

 

       

 

 

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